The World Today - Friday, 7
February , 2003 00:00:00
Reporter: Rafael Epstein
ELEANOR HALL: President Bush's
statement today
endorsed Colin Powell's statements of an active terror group affiliated
with Al Qaeda operating out of Iraq.
President Bush's
assertions go further than past US claims, for the first time
suggesting Saddam Hussein is directly targeting the American people.
But some are already expressing doubts about evidence provided by the
US and Britain.
An
intelligence dossier released by Tony Blair's office this week has been
accused of lifting much of its material from academic sources.
The leader of the Islamic extremist group in Iraq has denied any links
with Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein.
And as Rafael Epstein reports, the CIA's former Iraq analyst says such
a link is highly improbable.
RAFAEL
EPSTEIN: President Bush says that Saddam Hussein has the motive, the
means and the hatred to threaten the American people.
But
British security forces told The Guardian newspaper today there was no
solid evidence linking an Iraqi extremist group with the death of a
British policeman in a raid on a suspected terror cell in Manchester, a
link alleged yesterday by American Secretary of State Colin Powell.
America
claims terror cells in Europe were trained in Afghanistan by an Al
Qaeda operative called Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who they say was Osama bin
Laden's senior man in Baghdad.
But British security forces say it is still far too early to make such
a definite assessment.
As
well, the New York Times reports today that the leader of the Iraqi
extremist group Ansar al-Islam has denied working in concert with
Baghdad.
Ansar al-Islam's leader Mullah Krekar has enjoyed political refugee
status in Norway since 1991.
This
week he has told various media groups he's never had any links with
Saddam Hussein and he said as much when questioned by FBI investigators
in the Netherlands last year.
STEPHEN PELLETIERE: I don't think it's very solid at all.
I
think I know that group. I think I dealt either with that group or with
a same group under a different name when I was with the Central
Intelligence Agency in the eighties.
RAFAEL EPSTEIN: Stephen Pelletiere was the CIA's chief Iraq analyst
during the 1980s.
He
says Ansar al-Islam operates out of the northern corner of Iraq,
bordering Iran and Turkey. He says it is impossible for the group to
operate in such an area.
STEPHEN PELLETIERE: The location of the
Ansa group indicates that it has connections to Iran and for an
intelligence officer it does not make any sense to argue that a group
that has ties to Iran is also working for Saddam Hussein.
RAFAEL EPSTEIN: The British case against Al Qaeda has been damaged.
Downing Street published its latest 19-page dossier on Monday,
describing Saddam Hussein's intelligence organisation.
It
was presented as an up to date intelligence analysis. The dossier was
cited and endorsed by Colin Powell in his speech to the Security
Council.
But Channel Four news says that the bulk of the
document was copied from three articles, one from Jane's Intelligence
Review and another by a research associate at the Centre for
Non-Proliferation Studies in Monterey, California.
Both authors say they weren't consulted about the use of their work.
Much
of Colin Powell's evidence linking the Baghdad extremist group to
current anti-terror investigations in Europe comes from the testimony
of an unnamed detainee in Guantanamo Bay.
US intelligence says
he was tracked down after using his satellite phone to boast of a role
in the assassination of an American official in Jordan last year.
He's
apparently the deputy of al-Zarqawi, the Al Qaeda operative who
apparently trained the men now being investigated over planned terror
attacks in Europe.
Stephen Pelletiere says in his opinion such testimony is suspect.
STEPHEN PELLETIERE: Because they'll tell you anything! And you work
them over.
Anyone in the intelligence community knows that.
Get information from detainees by interrogating them and you know what
that is.
RAFAEL EPSTEIN: What are you saying?
The threats of force and the threats of torture and threats of
deportation to countries that aren't covered?
STEPHEN PELLETIERE: No threats, they torture them.
RAFAEL EPSTEIN: But surely the US Government would deny that wouldn't
they?
STEPHEN PELLETIERE: Oh sure.
ELEANOR HALL: Stephen Pelletiere, former Iraq analyst for the CIA
speaking to Rafael Epstein.
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